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You are still afraid to use your name here.

I have full sympathies with you because the way you are speaking here, it only tells me that you are an IBM fanboi and run behind dollars. As I told you previously also, FOSS means freedom not dollars. Yes, you are free to make dollars also if you want using any model. ( I don’t think you’d ever understand the model also! )

But, the point here is that what IBM is doing is nowhere comparable to open source and the license doesn’t speak about making the source open for your project, but to give your project with the source with all the rights to IBM. For whom are you fooling around?

Oh, and speaking about open source, yes, IBM is misleading people saying taking part in TGMC you help open source. How? Because you develop on linux platform. (Oh, it doesn’t matter if you are forced to use IBM proprietary tools for developing on this platform) This statement was spoken by the guy who visited different colleges here. I think Lalith will be better able to explain this matter, as when he raised this issue in front of him, the reply was to ‘read the terms and condition’. LOL, for what he didn’t know he said, ‘read the terms and conditions’. Thanks to Anirudh that he read it carefully and made everyone aware of it.

So please stop attaching ‘open source’ word with TGMC (and being diplomatic). Let them know that by taking part in this contest, they are giving away all the rights associated with their code, software, idea to IBM and giving them the permission / rights to use the code _anyhow_ including making it proprietary without possibly attributing them.

I feel sorry for you, because with this attitude you are never going to learn anything. I doubt if you will ever understand the meaning of Free And Open Source Software and the community. You need to get out of your papas’ chambers and learn about the things.

they all are different terms and u are focusing only on OPEN SOURCE

first i would like to tell that all software companies gaining profit by selling their products because every one eats food not OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE, do u?
of course i would be in your favor only and only if students are forced to buy IBM’s Software but here this is not true. they download free.

i also read the terms and conditions of IBM-TGMC but i didn’t find any prob that hurts open source.

Entrant also grants IBM worldwide irrevocable, NONEXCLUSIVE and royalty-free right and license to use, have used, copy, reproduce, transfer, modify and/or display any information contained in their entry in whole or part and in any form without compensation.
is there any difference in this one and OPEN SOURCE GPL.

here i read a line in which tgmc is compulsory in college’s project
would u tell me the name of ANY ONE IN INDIA.

now comes open source so dear frnds i think u all know about what this means is?
OPEN SOURCE
and i think TGMC also supports this , because u all can download their projects(made by students) and student make project for the same.

now comes on GSOC and Codeforfreedom
fools why r u comparing those to IBM-TGMC.

and one thing more
ALL projects in GSOC, IBM-TGMC and sun’s codeforfreedom are real life
but quality of project depends on students in TGMC but
the quality of project of GSOC depends on Mentor also

i think this stie name should be fossfans.org becouse all the post related to open s.

and last thing “jab log apki burai karne lagte hain to samajhiye aap taraki par hain”
from the movie “GURU”.

i m waiting to response

IBM or TGMC never said it is promoting open source and it is not hurting it either.
it is you people who first associate then open-source name to TGMC by accusing it of hurting open source and then you say that they are “gaining from open source as a marketing term”

use…….blah…..blah…..”
=>and BTW that license clause also says that you give IBM a “nonexclusive” type of license which means that you have the full

ownership of your code and hence you have the authority to sell/license your own code to any other party you want to.

=>and the GPL states that I can freely use/modify/sell any open source code, but if i want to distribute/sell the code i can

charge money for it, although i will have to release it under the GPL license only, but that means i CAN still make money from it

@Jai
=>why cant you understand that GPL clearly allows people to make money from open source software by selling it?? and you can go to

Mr.Stallman to know about that
or read from the official gnu website :-
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html

excerpt taken from above web page:-
###”Since free software is not a matter of price, a low price isn’t more free, or closer to free. So if you are redistributing

copies of free software, you might as well charge a substantial fee and make some money. Redistributing free software is a good

and legitimate activity; if you do it, you might as well make a profit from it.”###

=>and keep your sympathies to yourself, you will need them more than me.

=> i have tried many versions of linux . in fact i made my TGMC project last year on linux and for linux only(it doesnt run on

windows)

like i have already said before i have nothing against open-source/foss/GPL/dollars/windows

and TGMC is not promoting Open Source nor is it hurting it and Anirudh wrongfully blamed the TGMC and IBM of hurting open source

=> “came here from reading a mailing list” ?? who do you think sent that mail in the first place??

@nandeep
=>”YOU” is Anirudh here and he is worried that IBM will /use/sell/.. his project for money if he participates in TGMC.
=> and dont take “YOU” as all the linux developers or all the students of university. i was just asking Anirudh if he has written

a single line of code that has been a part of any open source project. and if he is worried about IBM using his code for making

profits then why doesnt he just keep writing open source code and make profits himself?? (has he ever written any code for open

source, anyways?)
=> i am not saying bigger companies make better software than smaller companies but if IBM had to make money using projects made

by TGMC participants, then why would they hire so many people??

@all
you all guys are opensource fanboys here , which btw i am NOT against, but you all have a misconception that IBM/TGMC is hurting

open source.

and instead of fighting with your college authorities, who are completely responsible for forcing you to do TGMC, you are bad-

mouthing IBM/TGMC here on this blog

@CantGetANick
haha! you are calling me blind??
its you who could not read that the apology was sent by my classmate and not me!!

As for whatever explanation you have given here are wrong and half researched. Firstly TGMC is not throwing any challenge. They have created a collection of standard software projects that students do every year and are forcing you to use IBM technologies.In real there is no challenge in TGMC. Only marketing benefits to IBM. They are forcing you technology and theya re forcing you programming language too.
Many companies run such contests but they do not force any language or technologies. Examples include Google summer of code and Sun’s code for freedom. If you ever bother to look at the quality of work done in such programs, people have solved some real life problems, contributed code to open source projects and that code is running on millions of machines every day. That is a real achievement.
What happens to your code in TGMC it sits pretty on a website and IBM has made you sign a contract by which you have legally given all rights to IBM. If you try to sell the code you have written under TGMC, IBM can sue you or ask you for royalties. You can verify this from a lawyer.

WHAT GPL IS?
would u tell this in detail.

What kind of an assumption is that? You are too full of yourself. Who is “YOU” here? Its all of us. There are many people reading this who are awesome at what they do. They employ “thousands” of employees? Well start-ups have a done brilliant work with a handful dozen. Anyway, the point is not to prove that there are better companies than IBM. The point is you are trolling with such a useless fact. IBM is good at what they do, but there are other good people out there as well if not better.

Diverting the attention from the discussion at hand is not a good way to proceed. Otherwise your replies look like something from a cornered rat. With nothing left to contribute.

You probably cannot understand the meaning of GPL even if Richard M. Stallman comes and teaches you because it is difficult for morons to understand this. I have sympathies with you.

Probably software only means a game of dollars for you and that’s what we are trying to explain here. This is about community participation, it’s about inherent freedoms related to the code you write, it’s about sharing. Which is nowhere visible with this lame challenge.

With your comments, this is also quite visible that you haven’t tried any of the _flavours_ of linux. Also, running a bunch of proprietary software on top of linux doesn’t mean that you are supporting open source, in fact you are gaining from open source as a marketing term ( you should better understand this from your papas at IBM )

/–
man, they employ thousands of employees to build quality software and you think they will use your code to make money??? and DO YOU think you can make better software than those devs that are on IBM payrolls????
–/

In your opinion, every development in the software field happens at your papas’ chambers only. According to this statement all the student projects were also lame which took place in a lab of a university. Grow up dude.

Just for your information, I came to this discussion here after reading on a mailing list. I congratulate Anirudh for the great post which has helped many students to understand what they are doing. I am sure, many of them must not have cared to look into the terms and conditions which they signed. Thankfully, now they know about it.